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If you're going to listen to UFO make sure you listen to the live album, I think it's called Strangers in the Night.

Great quality live album, one of the best ever.

A while back, I went to a club concert at the Whisky in Hollywood. Saw Schenker's "Temple of Rock" band. They played lots of UFO, MSG, and some Scorpions too (The drummer and bassist in ToR were in the Scorpions way back in their prime and Michael Schenker played on the Scorpions album Lovedrive along his brother and rhythm guitarist Rudolf.) including Rock Bottom. It was a ton of fun and Michael can still shred that V.

I'm reading Fear of Music right now, and listening to each album Mulholland recommends and it's amazing. There hype surrounding classic rock has really overshadowed the next era(s) of music even though everything sounded just as good.

I'm sure some of what I said may sound condescending if you know it already, but I've gotten used to talking about them to people who have never heard of them. Apologies if I came off that way!

Adeline

Back in the day people questioned who was the better guitar player so who was better Jimmy Page or Eddie Van Halen?

I don't think this is a fair comparison, honestly.

Of course Eddie can play Jimmy's material because he grew up listening to Zeppelin records and trying to imitate his style before finding his own voice. Whereas Jimmy grew up listening to blues men and early rock and rollers. This is how musicians have developed since the beginning of recorded music. While I'm not gonna say one way or the other who is better, I think this point isn't a fair one to make because by the time Van Halen became popular, Page was already accomplished and more interested in developing his own craft than imitating the style of others.

Eddie is much more technical.

Comparing Jimmy Page to Eddie Van Halen is like comparing Fred Astaire's dancing to the style of a Breakdancer. EVH completely redefined what an electric guitar could do. I prefer the style and grace of Fred Astaire, but I never saw him headspin or windmill, know what I mean?

It would be a more fair debate if Van Halen hadnt been held back by the artistic and technical limitations of his band. I mean the closest (and first to my mind) apples-to-apples comparison is "Heartbreaker" to "Eruption." One is a clear creative win while the other is pure technical win.

Jimmy has so much prowess and is able to convey so much through his playing, both musically and emotionally . When was the last time you heard EVH put a guitar in an open tuning and whip up something like The Rain Song or Black Mountainside/White Summer? Eddie was a teen when LZ1 came out. He saw them at the LA forum. EVH was raised in the 60's, he blossomed in the 70's. He was there as a listener to all the great 60's bands as it happened.

My conclusion is that EVH is one of the most technically gifted guitar players of all time, but Zep made better music in my opinion.

Adeline

I think it's because the Led Zeppelin sound is much heavier and less "pop" than the Beatles or the Stones. Even The Who got on the charts with silly ditties like "Squeeze Box."

Zeppelin did release at least one single off each album. Now, Page has been a lot tighter with licensing his music than, say, Pete Townshend, but we have heard Zep songs in ads for Cadillacs and Dior perfume, and in several movies (Argo, American Hustle). The Beatles didn't allow their songs used in ads, and when they did at first, the Beatles didn't have control over the licensing, Sony did (Apple computers, "Revolution"). Even now that Paul and Yoko have more control, they're usually allowing covers of their songs in ads, rather than the original recordings.

Short career? Beatles were even shorter.

Your point about there being little video or interviews to draw from, I think, is valid. But overall I think it comes down to songs being easy to hum with repeating choruses, compared to Zep's long-form songs with long instrumental breaks sung by Plant's otherworldly voice (I mean that as a compliment).

In most US cities, there is at least one and sometimes multiple radio stations that have a daily 'Get The Lead Out' segment where they play three to six Zeppelin songs daily. Some stations have a Beatles segment; I don't know of any that have a Stones segment.

Part of the genius of Led Zeppelin's mystique was the purposeful withholding of access and information about them.

The most blatant example is the fourth album (also their most popular album) where there is not even the name of the band on the album sleeve; and the album had no official name. Prior to the release of The Song Remains The Same (soundtrack), it was very difficult to hear any 'official' live recordings of the band (although some bootlegs like Blueberry Hill were circulating).

The only live recordings I remember was the BBC Paris concert that I recorded off of a radio broadcast. This piqued the curiosity and hunger of fans to experience the band live even more.

Adeline

I'm a big fan of Pink Floyd 70's era with songs like Echo and Shine on my crazy diamond and so I thought that I would share some of the other bands that have this vide. I heavily recommend Yes. I personally cannot get enough of their album Relayer. Relayer, Fragile, and Close to the Edge are all albums you should check out.

  • Porcupine Tree: in particular the earlier albums
  • Alan Parsons: he was instrumental in the DSOTM sound, though some of his stuff veers more into pop territory than PF does
  • Tangerine Dream: especially more traditional group albums like Green Desert
  • Airbag: bit on the heavy side but definite Floydian songs/moments
  • Ozric Tentacles
  • Shima Koto
  • Mooncalf
  • Paper Monkeys
  • Space Out
  • Oakum
  • Alan Parsons Project
  • Sunrise Jam
  • Erpsongs
  • Vibuthi
  • Aura Borealis
  • Cat DNA
  • Eternal Wheel

The Machine, they first started as a Pink Floyd tribute band, but their own sound is actually incredibly good.

Adeline

Here are some of mine in no particular order.

  1. Steven Wilson: I am putting this under one entry because listing all of his projects and why they all should be considered would put me past the character limit. From Porcupine Tree's evolution of a one-man psych-rock project to prog metal masters are a large reason for the progressive resurgence. His side projects with Aviv Geffen (Blackfield), to No-Man, to his solo material, and even the krautrock influenced project "Storm Corrosion" with Opeth's Mikael Akerfeldt serves to show how diverse and how wide prog-rock can be. His two most recent solo efforts (2011's "Grace for Drowning" and this year's "The Raven that Refused to Sing") are records that could and should be held up with the 70's masterpieces from Yes or Genesis..
  2. Opeth: What do you get when you combine intense death and black metal with well written and preformed progressive grace? You get Opeth.. In under a minute you can transition from heavy double bass blasts to mellotron laced beauty. Most people who click this thread are probably familiar with this band...
  3. Astra: If you were to put on an album by this band you would swear it was recorded in the 70s, with the essence of Yes and King Crimson influence in their music, but in reality their two albums "The Weirding" and "The Black Chord" were released in 2009, and 2012 respectively.
  4. Mostly Autumn: it's hard to get records by this band in the US and they don't have a US label, but the import cost is worth it. A mix of psychedelic/prog/ and Celtic Folk give this band a very beautiful edge. Very Pink Floyd influenced guitarist Bryan Josh channels David Gilmour at times accompanied by his vocals as well as with those by Heather Findlay, and later Olivia Spearman. It is a crime that this band is all but unknown outside of the U.K
  5. Anglagard had a pretty great album in the early 90s and they've got a new one out this year, though I haven't yet listened to it. As far as instrumental prog goes, they're quite good.
  6. Comus, the world's weirdest folk/prog band had a comeback album last year after like forty years of silence. Their singer's voice changed quite a bit, but they still sound like pagan rituals and I'm not sure if their violin melodies and weird background female vocals disturb me or make me want to dance. It's not quite First Utterance but either way I love it. Such a twisted and strange band.
  7. Dream Theater: The Obvious choice, though they began in the late 80s, it was in the Mid-90s with the "Images and Words" album that could be cited as not only the reason for their popularity, and subsequent success over their 25 years of recording, but the band's success is partly responsible for the revival of progressive rock in the first place....
  8. Transatlantic: A modern day ELP is a good moniker for this band, as that band in truth was THE progressive supergroup of the 70s, Transatlantic is that for modern prog. Ex-Dream Theater's Mike Portnoy, Ex-Spock's Beard's Neal Morse, Marrilions Pete Trewavas, and Flower King's Roine Stolt eximplfy everything about Prog excess... Their last tour consisted of a 7-8 song setlist that lasted 3 hours... If that gives you any idea.

Those are the few I wanted to detail, but there are many, many more bands to love out there: Anathema, Beardfish, Between the Buried and Me, Flower Kings, Maudlin Of The Well, Legend, Mastodon, Pain of Salvation, Spock's Beard, Structures, Twelve Foot Ninja, Riverside, Karnivool, 3, Coheed and Cambria, Pineapple Thief, The Tangent.

Adeline

Houses of the Holy is my favorite Zeppelin album. No one I have ever met agrees with me but it has some truly amazing songs.

This one in particular is the reason I started listening to Led Zeppelin when I was under the hill.

White Summer was played at Zeppelin concerts through 1968-1970 and was brought back for the legendary tour of '77, Knebworth '79 and Tour Over Europe 1980 (which was the last Led Zeppelin tour before John Bonham died in September 1980). Over the Hills and Far Away emerged from a 20 minute instrumental session of White Summer/Black Mountainside that Jimmy Page recorded at Headley Grange in 1974. Over the Hills and Far Away was "spun off" according to Page from this session.

I've been listening to classic rock my whole life, well before it became classic, and I'd still say this is my favorite album ever from start to finish. Granted, Zeppelin is my favorite band and I like all their music, this is just still what does it most for me. Every song.

Achille's Last Stand is actually an amazing song. It's probably the heaviest song that Zeppelin ever made. The album doesn't really flow that well in my opinion but it at least starts with a bang.

Nobody's Fault But Mine is good too.

Adeline

It's almost mythological. They did their thing in the 70's, stopped doing it, and now all we have is what they were. We got a reunion concert in 2007, but that's about it.

They don't create new content, so all we can do is appreciate the old, and that's bittersweet. I'm glad they don't mess it up with "here's our new album", and it be really bad and ruin the legend.

  • They're just great at what they do. Every single one of them individually, which makes them fantastic together.
  • I like the blues, and they're heavily blues influenced. Their first album more so than any other, but definitely later stuff too. "Since I've Been Loving You" has to be one of my favorites, if not my favorite. So heartfelt.

Here's a band who never gives any interviews and writes songs about mythology/debauchery, so they might as well be living in Olympus or Asgard for all we know.

I really like the "light and shade" aspect of their music, how they can go back and forth between loud, heavy and menacing and slow quiet and beautiful.

Led Zeppelin are heavy and light, fast and slow and immature but mature at the same time. They have music for almost everyone to enjoy.

They are all extremely talented musicians.

This is a fact that is not lost on the younger crowd either. My niece had her sweet 16 a couple of months ago and I was just floored when they started to play LZ, I just never knew that she liked it or had anything to do with the music.

After that we had a long talk. Yup, she is a fan!

Secondly, each of them are pretty much gods in their own way: A blonde-maned, attractive god of singing and love, a dark-haired god of guitar (and love as well), a well-built god of drums, and an understated god of pretty much every other instrument.

To have this much talent in one place almost seems illogical/mythological.

I like the fact that they are a four-man band that's a power trio a lead singer, which is also why I love Black Sabbath as well. That's kind of a badass band layout. I also love their diversity, and also what you said about them stopping in their prime.

Usually bands have one stand out musician and everyone else is adequate but with Led Zeppelin they are all amazing.

I also like the variety of musical styles they tackle.

From the short and energetic hard-rocking "Communication Breakdown", to the lengthy and mythical jam "Achilles Last Stand" with classics such as "Whole Lotta Love" and "Black Dog" in the middle; Led Zeppelin are undeniably one of the best hard rock bands of all time, and that's not starting on some other songs such as "Immigrant Song" or "The Ocean". Their massive influence cannot be denied either, how many of the biggest metal bands have cited Zeppelin as an influence?

Even more progressive groups such as Rush started on Zeppelin inspired music.

They could've just been a one trick pony and stuck with heavy blues rock but they experiment with sound throughout their career and have such a diverse sound that I may get tired of a song or even an album but I can never be tired of their whole catalog because it is so rich and diverse.

Adeline

Love them.

Definitely have a Floyd-lite vibe. I love the earlier stuff like Tales, I Robot, and Turn of a Friendly Card, but much of their 80s output is kinda bland. Alan Parsons solo (still sounds like APP, but without Wolfson) is pretty decent too, and David Gilmour plays a guitar solo (as well as the Keep Talking riff) on 2004's "Return to Tunguska."

I was dissapointed when I first found out that Parsons turned down the engineering job for WYWH, but after ToMaI, I can't say he made a bad decision. APP didn't really churn out a bad album. It stopped officially on a strong note (Gaudi) and all the albums are very memorable.

My personal favourites are Tales of Mystery, Eye in the Sky and Ammonia Avenue with Gaudi and I Robot not far behind.

Supertramp's first album has a early 70s Floyd vibe (and sounds very little like later poppier Supertramp, although I love those albums too)