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Back in the day people questioned who was the better guitar player so who was better Jimmy Page or Eddie Van Halen?

I don't think this is a fair comparison, honestly.

Of course Eddie can play Jimmy's material because he grew up listening to Zeppelin records and trying to imitate his style before finding his own voice. Whereas Jimmy grew up listening to blues men and early rock and rollers. This is how musicians have developed since the beginning of recorded music. While I'm not gonna say one way or the other who is better, I think this point isn't a fair one to make because by the time Van Halen became popular, Page was already accomplished and more interested in developing his own craft than imitating the style of others.

Eddie is much more technical.

Comparing Jimmy Page to Eddie Van Halen is like comparing Fred Astaire's dancing to the style of a Breakdancer. EVH completely redefined what an electric guitar could do. I prefer the style and grace of Fred Astaire, but I never saw him headspin or windmill, know what I mean?

It would be a more fair debate if Van Halen hadnt been held back by the artistic and technical limitations of his band. I mean the closest (and first to my mind) apples-to-apples comparison is "Heartbreaker" to "Eruption." One is a clear creative win while the other is pure technical win.

Jimmy has so much prowess and is able to convey so much through his playing, both musically and emotionally . When was the last time you heard EVH put a guitar in an open tuning and whip up something like The Rain Song or Black Mountainside/White Summer? Eddie was a teen when LZ1 came out. He saw them at the LA forum. EVH was raised in the 60's, he blossomed in the 70's. He was there as a listener to all the great 60's bands as it happened.

My conclusion is that EVH is one of the most technically gifted guitar players of all time, but Zep made better music in my opinion.

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I think it's because the Led Zeppelin sound is much heavier and less "pop" than the Beatles or the Stones. Even The Who got on the charts with silly ditties like "Squeeze Box."

Zeppelin did release at least one single off each album. Now, Page has been a lot tighter with licensing his music than, say, Pete Townshend, but we have heard Zep songs in ads for Cadillacs and Dior perfume, and in several movies (Argo, American Hustle). The Beatles didn't allow their songs used in ads, and when they did at first, the Beatles didn't have control over the licensing, Sony did (Apple computers, "Revolution"). Even now that Paul and Yoko have more control, they're usually allowing covers of their songs in ads, rather than the original recordings.

Short career? Beatles were even shorter.

Your point about there being little video or interviews to draw from, I think, is valid. But overall I think it comes down to songs being easy to hum with repeating choruses, compared to Zep's long-form songs with long instrumental breaks sung by Plant's otherworldly voice (I mean that as a compliment).

In most US cities, there is at least one and sometimes multiple radio stations that have a daily 'Get The Lead Out' segment where they play three to six Zeppelin songs daily. Some stations have a Beatles segment; I don't know of any that have a Stones segment.

Part of the genius of Led Zeppelin's mystique was the purposeful withholding of access and information about them.

The most blatant example is the fourth album (also their most popular album) where there is not even the name of the band on the album sleeve; and the album had no official name. Prior to the release of The Song Remains The Same (soundtrack), it was very difficult to hear any 'official' live recordings of the band (although some bootlegs like Blueberry Hill were circulating).

The only live recordings I remember was the BBC Paris concert that I recorded off of a radio broadcast. This piqued the curiosity and hunger of fans to experience the band live even more.

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Houses of the Holy is my favorite Zeppelin album. No one I have ever met agrees with me but it has some truly amazing songs.

This one in particular is the reason I started listening to Led Zeppelin when I was under the hill.

White Summer was played at Zeppelin concerts through 1968-1970 and was brought back for the legendary tour of '77, Knebworth '79 and Tour Over Europe 1980 (which was the last Led Zeppelin tour before John Bonham died in September 1980). Over the Hills and Far Away emerged from a 20 minute instrumental session of White Summer/Black Mountainside that Jimmy Page recorded at Headley Grange in 1974. Over the Hills and Far Away was "spun off" according to Page from this session.

I've been listening to classic rock my whole life, well before it became classic, and I'd still say this is my favorite album ever from start to finish. Granted, Zeppelin is my favorite band and I like all their music, this is just still what does it most for me. Every song.

Achille's Last Stand is actually an amazing song. It's probably the heaviest song that Zeppelin ever made. The album doesn't really flow that well in my opinion but it at least starts with a bang.

Nobody's Fault But Mine is good too.

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It's almost mythological. They did their thing in the 70's, stopped doing it, and now all we have is what they were. We got a reunion concert in 2007, but that's about it.

They don't create new content, so all we can do is appreciate the old, and that's bittersweet. I'm glad they don't mess it up with "here's our new album", and it be really bad and ruin the legend.

  • They're just great at what they do. Every single one of them individually, which makes them fantastic together.
  • I like the blues, and they're heavily blues influenced. Their first album more so than any other, but definitely later stuff too. "Since I've Been Loving You" has to be one of my favorites, if not my favorite. So heartfelt.

Here's a band who never gives any interviews and writes songs about mythology/debauchery, so they might as well be living in Olympus or Asgard for all we know.

I really like the "light and shade" aspect of their music, how they can go back and forth between loud, heavy and menacing and slow quiet and beautiful.

Led Zeppelin are heavy and light, fast and slow and immature but mature at the same time. They have music for almost everyone to enjoy.

They are all extremely talented musicians.

This is a fact that is not lost on the younger crowd either. My niece had her sweet 16 a couple of months ago and I was just floored when they started to play LZ, I just never knew that she liked it or had anything to do with the music.

After that we had a long talk. Yup, she is a fan!

Secondly, each of them are pretty much gods in their own way: A blonde-maned, attractive god of singing and love, a dark-haired god of guitar (and love as well), a well-built god of drums, and an understated god of pretty much every other instrument.

To have this much talent in one place almost seems illogical/mythological.

I like the fact that they are a four-man band that's a power trio a lead singer, which is also why I love Black Sabbath as well. That's kind of a badass band layout. I also love their diversity, and also what you said about them stopping in their prime.

Usually bands have one stand out musician and everyone else is adequate but with Led Zeppelin they are all amazing.

I also like the variety of musical styles they tackle.

From the short and energetic hard-rocking "Communication Breakdown", to the lengthy and mythical jam "Achilles Last Stand" with classics such as "Whole Lotta Love" and "Black Dog" in the middle; Led Zeppelin are undeniably one of the best hard rock bands of all time, and that's not starting on some other songs such as "Immigrant Song" or "The Ocean". Their massive influence cannot be denied either, how many of the biggest metal bands have cited Zeppelin as an influence?

Even more progressive groups such as Rush started on Zeppelin inspired music.

They could've just been a one trick pony and stuck with heavy blues rock but they experiment with sound throughout their career and have such a diverse sound that I may get tired of a song or even an album but I can never be tired of their whole catalog because it is so rich and diverse.

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Love them.

Definitely have a Floyd-lite vibe. I love the earlier stuff like Tales, I Robot, and Turn of a Friendly Card, but much of their 80s output is kinda bland. Alan Parsons solo (still sounds like APP, but without Wolfson) is pretty decent too, and David Gilmour plays a guitar solo (as well as the Keep Talking riff) on 2004's "Return to Tunguska."

I was dissapointed when I first found out that Parsons turned down the engineering job for WYWH, but after ToMaI, I can't say he made a bad decision. APP didn't really churn out a bad album. It stopped officially on a strong note (Gaudi) and all the albums are very memorable.

My personal favourites are Tales of Mystery, Eye in the Sky and Ammonia Avenue with Gaudi and I Robot not far behind.

Supertramp's first album has a early 70s Floyd vibe (and sounds very little like later poppier Supertramp, although I love those albums too)

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Being stuck in the 70's with alot of my music choices, but I have discovered some new bands I like. Here are some to check out:

  • The Gaslight Anthem - Hailing from his home state of New Jersey are a kind of a punky Bruce Springsteen type band that I dig. I recommend the album The '59 Sound because it is more 70s rock sounding, but Sink or Swim is another great one but a bit more punky. Here is a track from The '59 Sound.
  • The Glorious Sons - They might be my favourite band on the list. Maybe I'm just biased because they are Canadian, but The Glorious Sons are are a straight ahead hard rock outfit. The lead singer - Brett Emmons - commands an audience with his voice, and you will be banging your head throughout the entire debut album. Here is the opening track. Make sure to turn it up.
  • The Sheepdogs - These guys are a Saskatchewan based Southern Rock band that has influences ranging from The Guess Who to Creedence. They have 70s style long hair and beards - I've also seen them live a few times and they put on a killer show. I recommend the album Learn and Burn as a starter, but I have to share this live video of them jamming because it just shows how tight they are as a band.
  • Kings of Leon - Now you probably know Nashville based Kings of Leon, because you remember Use Somebody, or Sex On Fire being on the radio a few years ago when they became mainstream popular. But if you haven't already checked out their back catalog, you should. Their first couple albums had a raw, garagey sound. A good mix of Neil Young with Crazy Horse, except with Ronnie Van Zant on the vocals. Here is the first track from their first album.
  • Monster Truck - Last but not least, this Hamilton, Ontario heavy metal band sounds a bit like Sabbath, but with more gravelly David Grohl-y vocals. Here is a track from their debut album Furiosity, which I recommend.

Ok so I got a little bit carried away with this question, but I had a fun time thinking of bands! I hope you like at least one of them haha.

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Quite frankly I never understood why it was included on the album. Especially since the actual song 'House of the Holy' was not included on the album. I agree that it was a nod to funk, and it's about as good a tribute to funk that a band of English white guys can pull off.

Bonzo started just playing a beat from James Brown, and Jimmy joined in. It just developed from there.

But that's not to say it is a failure.

As someone fascinated by music, this song thrills me on many levels. Bonham's off-time drum shuffle is infectious, I love listening to JPJ's bass and keyboard work, and I love how Robert's vocals (on first listen) sound like they're cut from a completely different song, but then you hear the the vocal mesh together with the music, and it is wonderful to hear.

I could listen to that song anytime.

I like the live versions of the song a bit better, because they can jam a bit while playing it.

But like all of the early 1970's 'Classic Rock' bands, Zep was influenced heavily by the 1960's Motown and Funk bands, like James Brown. So this song is an homage to James Brown.

But the song does not play so well with Zep's original demographic group - people who were teens in the 1970's.

Please note, this is when Jonesy started being more prominent with his keyboard. Yes, it was getting more traction in IV, but Jimmy let him start to shine in Houses Of the Holy.

I enjoy the groove of it, but I just don't think it fits the rest of the album, which is actually my favorite zeppelin album.

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I have heard people bad mouthing Gates, they say he is over the hill and that his time is limited But try and remember he's also on the back end of his thirties so it's not unreasonable to say he isn't going to preform like he did 5-10 years ago.

I think the reduced role he's taken on this season has probably lowered his sharpness on the field but that is normal.

That said I think he's garnered enough respect to where regardless if he drops a ball here and there we should allow him to play until he can't anymore. He's basically the GOAT #1b so let him do what he wants. When he's gone all we'll be able to do is reminisce. Let's enjoy having him while he's still playing.

I'd honestly bet that he was more than happy to take a reduced role. He seems happy to mentor and that is a strength that any good team needs to stay healthy. The Chargers will always be a better team when they have seasoned players like Antonio in a mentoring role, he has been there. He is like a general if he doesn't get spooked he will keep the younger players from getting spooked. It is just the nautral way of things.